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  1. Robert H. Woodman
    29 July 2011 @ 4:43 am

    Hi, Robert,

    I have never heard that hymn in that particular way, nor have I ever heard the tune Bryn Calfaria by William Owen. In the 1991 Baptist Hymnal that my church uses hymn #323 is “Come, Ye Sinners, Poor and Needy”, which uses the first 4 lines of each verse and then substitutes a refrain for the last 3 lines of the verse. The refrain is:

    I will arise and go to Jesus,
    He will embrace me in His arms;
    In the arms of my dear Savior,
    O there are ten thousand charms.

    Also, verse 4 of this hymn is completely different from verse 4 of the version in the CyberHymnal.

    The tune is called Restoration and it comes from Walker’s “Southern Harmony”. The words are credited to Joseph Hart, while the refrain is credited to that extraordinary writer … Anonymous.

    What can you tell me about when and why the change to Hart’s and Owen’s original hymn occurred?

    Thanks very much!

    Robert Woodman

    • rcottrill
      29 July 2011 @ 7:12 am

      Thanks for your excellent question Robert. This particular hymn has undergone more changes than most, in the 250 years since it was created. The original was written by Joseph Hart, and published in 1759, in seven six-line stanzas. He called it, Come, and Welcome, to Jesus Christ.

      R. Conyers dropped the fourth stanza, and made other changes, publishing the revised version in 1774. Two years later, Augustus Toplady (author of Rock of Ages) published it with more changes still. Sometimes, hymnals at the time, published two different versions of the song. More changes came, over the years, until there were more than twenty different versions, though Conyers and Toplady are responsible for the most commonly accepted ones. The refrain found in some versions comes from an anonymous nineteenth century hymn beginning, “Far, far away from my loving Father,” about the prodigal son in Jesus’ parable.

      The Cyber Hymnal gives us two different versions of the hymn, one with, and one without the refrain: Come, Ye Sinners, Poor and Wretched, and Come, Ye Sinners, Poor and Needy (plus the refrain).

      The most common change made to this fine hymn over the years concerns the opening line. Hymn editors seem averse to us pointing out the “wretched” condition of lost, hell-bound sinners–though John Newton, in Amazing Grace, freely admits that the Lord “saved a wretch like me.” To be wretched, according to the dictionary, is to be miserable, dejected, distressed, afflicted, woeful, woebegone, forlorn, unhappy. To my mind, that is an appropriate description of those outside of Christ. But here are some of the attempts to soften the blow:

      Come, ye sinners, heavy laden…
      Come, ye sinners, sad and weary…
      Come, to Jesus, O my brothers…
      Come, ye weary, heavy laden…
      Come, ye sinners, poor and needy…

      The last of these is the most common change used today, though some hymnals have the courage to buck the trend and keep Hart’s original. It seems not to have occurred to the tinkerers that to call someone a “sinner” will be even more offensive to the pride of one in rebellion against the Lord! But that is what we are, in the sight of a holy God, and we need to know it. Authors Nutter and Tillet state, in their Annotated Edition of the Methodist Hymnal (1911) that thousands have been convicted and turned to Christ by the clear message of this song.

  2. Jon Gleason
    30 July 2011 @ 12:07 pm

    We included the “poor and needy” version from Cyberhymnal (verses 1-4 and 6) when we compiled our hymn book a few years ago. It quickly became one of the best-loved in the book. I wasn’t aware that it was a modified version, but I have no regrets about using the version we have. It’s a phenomenal hymn in both versions.

    I love that line, “If you tarry till you’re better, you will never come at all.” Also, the one that says, “Sinner, will this not suffice?”

    • rcottrill
      30 July 2011 @ 12:39 pm

      Thanks for your comments. I agree that both versions of the hymn in use today are excellent. (Almost two different hymns!) And I the line you quote caught my attention too. Reminiscent of Charlotte Elliott’s hymn “Just as I Am.” God bless.

  3. jan
    7 January 2016 @ 8:36 am

    Your first question is a good one and one we ought to ponder. For it is the setpoint of the proud human heart to believe that we can come to God as we are, or through our own good works and He will or must accept us. It is inconceivable to proud humans that God does not want our “good” works or that they have no merit. Mankind wants a hand in their own salvation. We are like spiritual toddlers: “I do it myself!!!!”
    But the scriptures tell us that our good works are like filthy rags to God. We cannot earn salvation because by the works of the law no one is declared righteous. Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16

    Praise God that He had mercy on my soul 21 years ago. He caused me to understand His grace towards sinners. That by faith in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ I could be saved. Not according to my works, but because of His own mercy and grace. Salvation is the gift of God, not of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9